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S02E85 Fresh Start Registry & Family Law Attorneys with the Dreizen Sisters

• Marilyn Jenkins • Season 2 • Episode 85

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When life falls apart, where do you turn for practical support? Sisters Olivia Dreizen-Howell and Jenny Dreizen discovered a critical gap in our support systems when they both experienced major life transitions, Olivia through divorce and Jenny through a broken engagement. Their revelation? While we celebrate beginnings with weddings and baby registries, we lack formal support structures for endings and transitions.

Fresh Starts Registry emerged from this need, a pioneering platform that allows people navigating divorce, coming out, job changes, grief, and other significant life shifts to create registries for essential items they need to rebuild. More than just a registry service, they've created a comprehensive support ecosystem that includes access to vetted experts across multiple disciplines.

What makes their approach unique is their business model. Rather than monetizing vulnerable people in transition, they've created a membership community for experts, divorce attorneys, financial analysts, therapists, realtors, and numerous specialized coaches, who pay modest monthly fees to join their network. These experts gain marketing support, podcast opportunities, co-working sessions, and media exposure while registry users receive vetted resources they can trust during challenging times.

The sisters have expanded their mission through the Fresh Starts Podcast Network, with shows consistently ranking in the top percentiles. Through podcasts like "A Fresh Story," "Divorce Happens," and "Jenny Says So," they're making divorce education and transition support accessible to everyone, regardless of circumstances.

For family law attorneys and divorce professionals, Fresh Starts Registry offers a valuable resource to share with clients and an exceptional opportunity to expand visibility through their expert network. Their commitment to accessibility, offering free consultations and downloadable guides without requiring personal information, reflects their core belief that everyone deserves support during life transitions.

Reach the Dreizen sisters here:

https://freshstartsregistry.com/
https://www.instagram.com/freshstartsregistry/

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Speaker 1:

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Speaker 2:

Welcome to another episode of the Leadership in Law podcast. I'm your host, marilyn Jenkins. Please join me in welcoming my guests, olivia Dreisen-Howell and Jenny Dreisen, to the show today. Olivia and Jenny started their first business together when they were six and four. Since then, as a result of professional experience and personal lessons, the two sisters now 38 and 36, launched Fresh Starts Registry, a first-in-its-kind platform built to support those going through brave and bold changes, such as divorce, job changes, coming out and living through grief and more, by revolutionizing the art of starting again. Fresh Starts Registry was created with the ethos of support and love between two sisters who needed help through substantial life transitions as they started to begin again together. In addition to being co-founders of Fresh Starts Registrate, olivia and Jenny are co-founders of the Fresh Starts Podcast Network. We're their co-hosts of the top 2.5% personal journal podcast about brave hearts, bold choices and new beginnings A fresh story podcast. An individual host of the podcast Divorce Happens and Jenny says so. This is fantastic. I'm excited to have you, ladies, here. Welcome.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, we're excited to be here.

Speaker 4:

I almost cried when you said that we like started over together, because I don't think I've ever thought about it like that, but we really did.

Speaker 2:

Wow, I mean, that's, that's been. You know, sisters are, you know, built in friends for life. So we got lucky. We got lucky Absolutely. Well, let's chat about the birth of Fresh Start Registry. How did this come about?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, I'll start with my side of the origin story. I guess it takes two sides to birth anything right. And so I was married for about eight years. I had two little boys, who were two and five at the time. I like to say, on paper we had a really suburban white picket fence, literally like a life, you know, ranch house. We lived in the suburbs, I had met my ex-husband on Matchcom and what seemed like a lovely life, and then my marriage just blew up and it was over.

Speaker 3:

There was a lot of little threads that, of course, over the years I didn't notice and, as things go, we decided to split up in April of 2019. And then we lived together, as a lot of people do, because he was trying to find a place to live. He was going to move out of state back to his family in Illinois, and so we lived together for about three or four months. And he moved out in Illinois, and so we lived together for about three or four months and he moved out in August. And when he moved out in August of 2019, jenny came over with her then-fiancé which is part of her story and they installed a security system. They helped me clean out the house, but my ex-husband had left with all of his instruments. He was a musician. His recording studio there was literally like empty guitar hangers on the wall. You know, it was like a ghost town and everything else that was left was from my wedding right like monogrammed sheets, and everything was brown and tan and I am not a brown and tan person and so I had this.

Speaker 3:

Like I registered for my wedding, I registered for two babies. This is when I actually need the support. I had friends and family who were saying what can we do? Husband just left you. This is crazy. What can? How can we help you? Registry?

Speaker 3:

Thinking something would come up why is there not a divorce registry? And that is literally. What came up was articles that said, why is there not a divorce register? From major platforms like Elle and Vogue that were like wow, you know what? Where is the divorce registry? So at the time, jenny had I have had a marketing agency since 2014 Jenny came on.

Speaker 3:

Well, this was before Jenny came on board with me, but she was helping me consult a little bit with marketing clients and you know I had a full load. I had these two kids. I didn't have time to start a new company. But I did journal and I said I want to start fresh starts registry for anybody going through a life transition, to register for anything that they need that's not baby and wedding related and also have access to vetted experts, because when you're going through a life transition you actually use about seven experts. People just don't realize that. And so I called Jenny. I said I have this idea. I think we should start the first divorce registry. And she was like I love you and I love the idea, but we don't have time or finances or capabilities. We didn't work together.

Speaker 4:

Yet I was working, you know, on the road three months out of the year, like it was not. Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3:

And so and I'm not like a web designer and you know or anything, and but I the idea really stuck with me and it was like I almost felt like when you get so obsessively passionate about something that you have to get it to the world, and it was all I could think about but didn't have time for it, and so the way that we always kind of shift to Jenny's origin story for the company is two weeks before my my marriage ended.

Speaker 4:

She had gotten engaged to her longtime partner, so I'll let Jenny take over there For April I think April 30th or March 30th 2019, I got engaged to this man that I had been with for at that time eight years, I think and then Olivia's marriage breaks up, and so my ex and I go and help her with everything, and then COVID hits. We start planning a wedding. You know I have Olivia threw me a beautiful bridal shower March 8th 2020. Ready to be, you know, everline. And for a lot of people and for a lot of people we saw a lot of people I had my wedding was scheduled for May 16th 2020. And my ex lost his job, and we are.

Speaker 4:

We lived in Queens, like, which was like the epicenter of everything, and we decided we were going to, we were going to cancel the wedding. My sister, my poor sister called me. She goes hey, I think that maybe you should call the venue and see if they can reschedule your wedding for, like, maybe this summer. And I, I think it let out like a screech. I was like I am doing, I'm a middle child, the what you know. And so we, we pushed off the wedding. And then September came, and then we pushed off the wedding again, and then June 2021 hit. By that point, we'd sort of decided no wedding, we're just going to get married. You know city hall kind of situation. And then he and I looked at each other and we'd been together for a decade by this point and we were like this is not it anymore.

Speaker 4:

And Olivia, which is, and Olivia tells the story, which is the reality of the story which I laugh at today. It's been four years, so I can laugh at this now and I even at the time I was like this is ridiculous. He sat me down and he said I don't think I love you anymore and I said okay. Then I said well, that makes a lot of sense. That tracks with how you've been acting. Wow, yeah.

Speaker 4:

I got my major ring and I nod to myself oh my God, my life is going to be amazing. I just knew in that moment that my life was going to be beautiful and I had the opposite experience of Olivia. I had no interest in staying in Queens, so there was no question of who was going to keep the apartment. I left the next day for a whole variety of reasons. My father was going to come. My father lived in Manhattan and he was going to come with me and drive from Queens to Long Island, so I knew that if I was crying, my dad could drive my car. So I was like, well, let's do this, like let's not, let's really like call it, let me pack up my stuff and go. I left with no furniture. I had just my clothing. I had some heirlooms of my grandmother's and my books and I packed up my CRV and I moved out to Long Island and I crashed at my mom's place for two weeks and then I found this really sweet apartment that was just down the road from my mother's house and I moved in and I had nothing and I'm looking at $10,000 on, like you know, websites to get a mattress and a bed and a dining table and a couch and everything else that you need Every plate, every dish, every forks and knives and everything. And you know, people are so generous and my mom took me to TJ Maxx and was like, what do you need? And everybody's calling and going how can I help? What do you need? What can I do? And you just don't. You're so overwhelmed, and so it was like sitting on the floor in my new apartment because there was no furniture yet, and I think I called Olivia and I said that idea that you had about a divorce registry would have covered a lot of things. So I broke up with him June 16th 2021. I think I moved in July 1st 2021.

Speaker 4:

And by August we were up and running. My table came in, I built my table and we sat at that table and we built the website together or I built the website and Olivia built the content and we came up with this idea and we found out why a divorce registry hadn't happened yet. And the answer is that registries don't make money. They're not a really good income source unless you're the company that's selling the stuff. And so we had to figure out how do we build this thing that we're so passionate about, how do we support people in this way? Not only with the items, because that's so great and it's so wonderful. But support is about so much more than a set of sheets. It's also about how to ask for the sheets, what to say when you're giving somebody the sheets, and also like washing the sheets, like you can help somebody in so many non-capitalistic, free ways. Right, I'll throw away the garbage, I'll break down the boxes, I'll help you build things.

Speaker 4:

We wanted to build all of that and we wanted to make it our life's work. And we also wanted to provide these experts. And how do we do that? And also, you know, pay our rent, yeah. And so we sort of backed into what do we? What have we always done?

Speaker 4:

By this point, I'd already joined Olivia's marketing agency. We'd like five X'd what we were doing there, you know, we took it into. We're making, you know, six figures in her marketing agency, and so we're like, well, we know marketing, we know social media, we know PR, and so we have business development. So we've created this community membership for our experts. So it wasn't just pay some money and be on a list, it's pay, you know, pay us a monthly fee and they have access to our whole community, which I'll let Olivia talk about and everything that we do with that. But that was the way that we were able to create this space. Create this space and I mean now, at this point, it's really this is what we do full time is get to build this community and get to support people and educate them while they're going through divorce.

Speaker 2:

So it's a divorce like your separation, and which was technically a divorce. Yeah Right, yeah, divorce was the impetus of making this happen, and then it just works really well for any other big life transition, because we all have mountains and those turns.

Speaker 3:

A hundred percent. Yes, yeah, we have a lot of people who come to us who will say, well, I'm a single woman and I've never had, you know, a baby or a wedding, but I am getting my PhD or a new pet. So the way that we work is that we are powered by Amazon, for a variety of reasons. One is that to build a registry platform is very, very expensive and we are bootstrapped down to the penny, so don't have the extra funds to build out a registry at this point in life. The other thing is that we made a very conscious decision early on in the company, probably since day one, to put safety and security of our users first and foremost, so we don't collect data on people who come to the website. Amazon collects your address. They have all the ways that they have always done everything. So what we provide for people are bundles of items that we have looked at and researched and vetted and put together that are curated based on rooms of the house, budget and also themes, right. So we have a new pet registry, travel registry, right? So we like to say and this is why it wasn't called the divorce registry, it was called the fresh start registry, because fresh starts beget fresh starts right, and so we like to say you can come for any life milestone.

Speaker 3:

We believe everybody is worthy of a registry. It is always free to make a registry with us. We don't charge you anything and we don't charge people for checking out the expert guide. We have over 100 experts. You can get in touch with them on your own volition. But we we do have a focus with divorce because that's our background and I'm I'm a certified life and divorce coach and Jenny is an etiquette expert and a boundaries expert and she's amazing at providing scripts for people going through all these life changes. But we have people come to us for all different. We've had people make registries for coming out, transitioning, moving back home. A couple of people made them for becoming an author for the first time and so yeah, so we like to say we're the registry for everything else in life. Yeah.

Speaker 2:

Very cool and I just love, especially for the audience of the show. We have a lot of family law attorneys and this is perfect as one more feather in their cap, one more piece of value to give their clients going through a divorce and this is probably more women to reach out for help. And I think when you talk to family law, attorneys and CDFAs and stuff.

Speaker 4:

they often say the same thing that women are generally a little bit more willing to reach out and ask for help. But it's definitely not women only. All of our content. We try really hard to keep it gender neutral, because there's a lot of people navigating divorce. You know, everybody gets divorced. Everybody navigates new beginnings and fresh starts. I think that one of the things that we offer that I love we don't offer it.

Speaker 4:

Olivia offers it is that she does free divorce resource consults. So if you're navigating divorce and you don't know where to start or you're at the end of the divorce, whatever stage you're in, she'll meet with you for 15 minutes and connect you to our experts and our resources and our blog posts. The divorce, whatever stage you're in, she'll meet with you for 15 minutes and connect you to our experts and our resources and our blog posts. We have two free PDF slash eBooks that you can download, all about navigating divorce Like. She'll connect you to all of those resources blog posts, podcasts, episodes, things like that and that's another one of the benefits of joining is that you get to connected directly to people that are navigating divorce.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, and Olivia, you know we they come to. They come to these experts knowing that they are pre vetted, knowing that our experts have all signed an ethos that says that they're like shame free, they're egalitarian, they're about equality, they're about LGBTQ rights, like everything like that. So they sort of come with this little badge on them saying I'm a fresh starts expert, you can feel safe with me, and that's really important to us I love that it's interesting, yeah, I mean.

Speaker 3:

I mean what you were saying is like with if anybody's listening in like family law or a divorce attorney. We were begging you to join because I I meet with so many women a week that are going through divorce. I started this kind of as a way to give back during the holiday season. I thought, well, let me offer these free consults. I booked up within minutes for the whole month and then I thought, well, this is interesting, people really need this, and so now I do them every day and I'm often the first person that many people tell that they're considering divorce.

Speaker 3:

Ok, the other thing that's fascinating is I get a lot of people who come to me who say I've tried getting in touch with divorce lawyers. Nobody is responding to me, and so I say give me two seconds, I'm going to get you a divorce lawyer or experts. Get back to people immediately. They're so, so great. So if you are a divorce lawyer anywhere in the country I talk to people all over the world. It's $25 a month just to have your profile on Fresh Starts, which is nothing, and I will refer you to people as soon as I can refer you to people.

Speaker 2:

So that's totally worth it? Yeah, absolutely. And you know just a little statistic the Better Business Bureau says 67% of calls coming to a small business go unanswered. So I'm it's, it's. It's a time of where you kind of don't know where to go. So tell me what, what subject matter, what kind of experts do you have in addition to having law firms that you can send people to?

Speaker 3:

Yeah, absolutely. Well, obviously, whenever somebody hears divorce, they think divorce lawyer, but there's so many we like to call it a hype team, so you have to build your hype team of experts. So cdfas with you know, certified divorce financial analyst really, really important. We work with a lot of stay-at-home moms. They don't either have access to finances or they have very little finances and we connect them to cdfas to start that budgeting process and see how they can really, you know, flourish after divorce.

Speaker 3:

A divorce Realtors right, If you have a house together, you're going to need to figure that out Mortgage lenders, therapists you know, children's experts A lot of people love to work with a parent coach during a divorce to figure out how to talk to their kids about divorce. Obviously, divorce coaches which is one of our favorite people to recommend, because every divorce coach has a different niche that they really are focused in, right. So, if you hide toxic relationship divorce coach versus maybe a divorce coach that helps people with paperwork, which is something a lot of people struggle with, right. So that's kind of I would like to. We always do your basic team, we always do like your basic team. But then obviously, going through the divorce process, you may need an energy healer, or you know a life coach or a career coach, or you know we even have hairstylists and you know DIY experts to help you revamp your place. Organizers.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, organizers are a big one.

Speaker 3:

There's a really big one, and they help you organize your digital files. You know many people realize that digital files come up in the divorce process a lot. You know it's a very modern thing to think about, but you have to separate your digital files and so an organizer can, no matter where you are, can, sit with you on Zoom and organize your files. So there's a lot. We have experts in all different. We have hypnotherapists. So there's a lot.

Speaker 3:

We have experts in all different ways. We have hypnotherapists, which I mean we have all different types of you know tapping specialists and Reiki healers and yoga teachers. And I like to say, you know, except for state dependent ones, like lawyers, realtors, mortgage lenders, therapists, therapists most of our experts are not global and most of our experts have free consultation calls because they come through us. So even our lawyers, to be honest with you, which is pretty unheard of will chat with you on the phone just to hear what's going on. So you know when, like Jenny said, when they come through us and I recommend and I can, I personally connect people to experts every day. The experts know that they trust me, I trust them and it's a beautiful synergy.

Speaker 2:

I love that. I love it. So this is a great lead generation for the family law attorneys that are listening, absolutely Okay.

Speaker 4:

I would love to speak a little bit more about what we offer, because we have two levels of membership. So one is $25 a month, which is this SEO optimized profile on our website, which gets 40,000 page views a month. Our experts are on every page of the website. They're hard to avoid, so you're always getting seen. And then you can also have your events and your offers listed on our website and in our newsletter. You get early access. And what is the word I'm looking for? Discount codes for anything we offer additionally, workshops. But then, olivia, do you want to talk a little bit about the premium level membership?

Speaker 3:

Sure, so, like Jenny said when we were trying to figure out how to make money, and people always say well, how do you make money? Do you make money off the divorced people? We don't make money off the people going through the life changes, except for the pennies we make on Amazon affiliate links, which we really only use because we like that money off of Amazon and so we're happy to give you that.

Speaker 3:

We came in from Amazon and so we we like to say we make our money the same way we've always made money, which is in marketing. So my background in marketing and and PR and business development. We realize that a lot of these experts are entrepreneurs or solopreneurs that don't have a community. So for $55 a month, which is a complete steal for what I'm about to say, you get three sessions a week of co-working, two hours a week of open office business coaching, so you can drop in and ask anything you need. We have an accountability group on Monday mornings and we do press and media opportunities for our experts. So if anybody has hired a publicist and knows how expensive they are, we've gotten our experts into everything from New York Times to Time Magazine, to Parade and all this stuff. I lead all of that. That's my kind of thing at the company and it's amazing because it helps. We always believe if our experts can get into the world, it just makes everybody else seem great too. So, yeah, and so then we have a special.

Speaker 3:

Jenny has built a beautiful off social media dashboard that they can go into and everything is there for them as well as they can be. We have almost six podcasts and four of them are top rated and so when you are an expert at that level, you can be on any of our three podcasts anytime you want. You can come on with any ideas that you have. So it's a really, really great way to build SEO, build social media. You can collaborate with us on social media. We like to say, like our house is their house when you join us, and the ecosystem that has been built within these experts also is just. I don't think we foresaw that happening at all, but they've become friends and colleagues and partners and it's been truly fantastic. So if you are interested, it's it's 55 a month and you get all of that plus you get to see us every day that's amazing.

Speaker 2:

I mean basically helping them grow their business by the business structure, with, with your, your expert section, and, at the same time, as the people in their area who need divorce, they're getting clients.

Speaker 3:

Yes, it's a win-win for everybody.

Speaker 2:

Wow, yeah, that is absolutely is. Well, let's talk about your podcast. So clearly you're doing a lot of marketing and SEO and making sure everybody is found and your podcast network is. Are you niching each podcast to different parts of life, are you? How are you structuring that?

Speaker 3:

I love that question yeah, so we started with one podcast. You give Olivia a cookie. I've always wanted to podcast. I'm a big podcast person. He had a radio show.

Speaker 3:

In college I get a radio show you know, I was, my ex-husband was an engineer, an audio engineer, and would watch him and think, well, I want to learn how to do that. I want to learn how to do all these things. And so about three years ago now, we had met with somebody and she said to us she was a casting director and she said, I think you girls would be great on a podcast. You need to start a podcast. And I was like, oh, that seems like so much work. And I was like, oh, it seems like so much work and I don't know how to do this. But I learned, I taught myself everything.

Speaker 3:

So we started with our Fresh Story, which is kind of our anchor podcast. We like to say that is talking to guests about all their different fresh starts in life, and we have different themes. So I did a whole season on infant and child loss and talking to parents about that. This season we're talking to people about how they built their families and how did you create your family. But we've also had the whole divorce announcement season.

Speaker 3:

We have over 200 episodes of that show and it's so fun. If you ever just need something to listen to, it's fantastic. And then we kind of then kept branching out and so we have five fresh tips, which is just our experts, and you get an episode or as many as you want when you're an expert and if our experts sharing five of their life tips, it's a micro podcast. We like to say that lives on your profile as an expert so we can listen to you. It's also obviously a spot of pineapple, and then we kept going. I host, divorce happens, which is is over 100 episodes. We just launched that in January and my sister is a little nuts.

Speaker 4:

I love you to be around for the end.

Speaker 3:

And that is all of our experts. But that's I really wanted to dig into topics nobody else is talking about with divorce. So we really talk about custody, what to do if you're pregnant and divorced, you know. Very interesting thing for all of our experts. And then I do have I like to call divorced humans on the podcast who I ask one question, which is what are the three things you learned from your divorce?

Speaker 3:

So it's an uplifting, positive, fun divorce show and that's the top three percent podcast because it just took off. And then, because I had my own podcast, jenny also had to have her own podcast, so she has one called Jenny Says so, which I produce and it's an award-winning podcast. It just won an award this year and people actually write in or call in with etiquette questions and then she answers them in such a beautiful way and it's a fantastic fun. We like to say it's like our Frasier of shows.

Speaker 2:

I love it.

Speaker 3:

And then what else do we even have? Oh yeah, I started another one for single moms that just came out in May called how Does she Do it All, which is kind of a take on old retro TV a little bit, and that has been really exciting and interesting talking to single moms about how they do everything. We just had Joy Mangano on the podcast who is like she invented the Miracle Mop yeah, the Miracle Mop and she was a single mom of, I think, four kids. It was like such a fantastic episode to talk to somebody who literally started from the ground and now is like they're making a Broadway show about her. Wow, and then Jenny's going to have a new one.

Speaker 4:

Yeah, we're going to have a new, we're launching a new one called Actually, I Don't about broken engagements, because I was like well, I want to go talk about my broken engagement on podcasts and I looked and I couldn't find any. So I said this is what happens. We go Google something. It doesn't exist, then we go. I guess we got to make it. So we're going to be launching that, we're going to be starting to look for guests soon and we love our podcast.

Speaker 3:

And we don't take sponsorships on our podcast. They're all just for support. We make no money on our podcast, except that I love podcasting. It's an amazing community of people and it's been really fantastic. You know an amazing community of people and it's been really fantastic, you know to have. We are. We are very passionate about divorce, education and accessibility being free and accessible in many ways to people. So while we have our free ebooks, which you don't have to put a credit card in or your email address, you can just download them. I also want that information in podcast form, because maybe you can't download a book, but you you can listen to a podcast. So we really like to think of our content and all the different ways we can put it on the internet or put it accessible for people, and so we just chug along. We're usually working 24 hours a day.

Speaker 4:

Somebody's always working. I live in Scotland, so it's like somebody's always working. Somebody's always awake.

Speaker 2:

Well, it sounds like you've got really a sphere that will help anyone for whatever they need going through a transition, and for your experts, it's an absolute no-brainer to build your business, business coaching, marketing and building clientele.

Speaker 3:

Yeah, it's a no-brainer. Yeah, we're the premier divorce support network. We love our experts. We are in touch with them pretty much every day, whether it's on a podcast or in coaching or in co-working, and it's just become such a beautiful community of people and we just love. We really wake up every day excited to work.

Speaker 2:

Fantastic. I'm loving that. I'm loving that. This has been a great conversation. If some of the attorneys that are here want to reach out to you and connect, or someone that may be divorced wants to talk to you anybody in a transition how would our listeners connect with you and find out more?

Speaker 3:

Absolutely. You can email hi at freshstartsregistrycom and our DMs are always open, so they are just on Instagram. It's just our names. I'm at Olivia Howell. I believe you're at Genevieve Thrizen, right?

Speaker 4:

And Fresh Starts is at Fresh Starts Registry, so easy to find. Send us a.

Speaker 3:

DM and we will get back to you. We love helping people all over the internet.

Speaker 2:

Wow, you guys have done an amazing job. It's admirable. I love it. The value is that everyone deserves a fresh start, and you make that an easy for them. Thank you for all you do.

Speaker 3:

Thank you so much, Marilyn.

Speaker 2:

Absolutely, and thank you so much for being on the show. This has been great.

Speaker 5:

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